{"id":54685,"date":"2016-11-03T12:29:01","date_gmt":"2016-11-03T16:29:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=54685"},"modified":"2016-11-03T12:32:06","modified_gmt":"2016-11-03T16:32:06","slug":"msm-so-funny-in-that-clinton-is-really-from-mars-and-trump-is-from-venus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=54685","title":{"rendered":"MSM Even Got The Astrology Wrong: Clinton is really from Mars and Trump is from Venus"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"content__meta-container js-content-meta js-football-meta u-cf content__meta-container--twitter \"><\/div>\n<div class=\"content__article-body from-content-api js-article__body\" data-test-id=\"article-review-body\">\n<h1 class=\"content__headline js-score\">Astrologers predict the election: Trump is from Mars, Clinton is from Venus<\/h1>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h3>Dozens of astrologers are coming together to predict who will be president, anticipating a \u2018potentially explosive\u2019 October surprise that could shape the result<\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-54686\" src=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians-1-1024x416.jpg\" alt=\"99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians\" width=\"640\" height=\"260\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians-1.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians-1-300x122.jpg 300w, https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/99278ffa0atrump-two-corinthians-1-768x312.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nRory Carroll<br \/>\nThe Guardian<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"drop-cap\"><span class=\"drop-cap__inner\">T<\/span><\/span>he polls are grim, but the cosmos may yet save <a class=\"u-underline\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/donaldtrump\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Donald Trump<\/a>. Why fret about Florida when you have Orion?<\/p>\n<p>The Republican presidential nominee, born under a full moon eclipse, has a possible edge that could align the stars on 8 November.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMythologically he\u2019s Orion \u2013 a constellation. It represents giants. It\u2019s very important for the whole story of the United States, that\u2019s why he finds his place here,\u201d said Aleksandar Imsiragic.<\/p>\n<p>The Serbia-born astrologer was speaking on Tuesday in advance of a conference that will bring dozens of astrologers together in Costa Mesa, California, to predict the outcome of the election.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"img-2\" class=\"element element-image img--landscape fig--narrow-caption fig--has-shares \" data-component=\"image\" data-media-id=\"8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\">\n<div class=\"u-responsive-ratio\"><picture><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=620&amp;q=20&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;dpr=2&amp;s=b880899c10725d6181c1dbb56020e592 1240w\" media=\"(min-width: 660px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1.25), (min-width: 660px) and (min-resolution: 120dpi)\" sizes=\"620px\" \/><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=620&amp;q=55&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;s=4ade67228451a6434e6756fd305ad710 620w\" media=\"(min-width: 660px)\" sizes=\"620px\" \/><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=605&amp;q=20&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;dpr=2&amp;s=eac201ae56ef2990392e915639802053 1210w\" media=\"(min-width: 480px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1.25), (min-width: 480px) and (min-resolution: 120dpi)\" sizes=\"605px\" \/><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=605&amp;q=55&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;s=7a888499914e140e90228b390151c628 605w\" media=\"(min-width: 480px)\" sizes=\"605px\" \/><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=445&amp;q=20&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;dpr=2&amp;s=1eec2d8d709986cbe6f834bd6aea0c16 890w\" media=\"(min-width: 0px) and (-webkit-min-device-pixel-ratio: 1.25), (min-width: 0px) and (min-resolution: 120dpi)\" sizes=\"445px\" \/><source srcset=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=445&amp;q=55&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;s=edf57b0e819f834ec7e87d6bd1543441 445w\" media=\"(min-width: 0px)\" sizes=\"445px\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"gu-image\" src=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67\/0_96_640_384\/master\/640.jpg?w=300&amp;q=55&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;s=cd9502470b25c22424fdfb81539a9fd1\" alt=\"International Society for Astrological Research.\" \/><\/picture><\/div>\n<div class=\"block-share block-share--article hide-on-mobile \" data-link-name=\"block share\"><a class=\"rounded-icon block-share__item block-share__item--facebook js-blockshare-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.facebook.com\/dialog\/share?app_id=180444840287&amp;href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2016%2Foct%2F12%2Fastrologers-predict-us-election-trump-clinton-zodiac%3FCMP%3Dshare_btn_fb%26page%3Dwith%3Aimg-2%23img-2&amp;picture=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.guim.co.uk%2F8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67%2F0_96_640_384%2F640.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" data-link-name=\"social facebook\"><span class=\"u-h\">Facebook<\/span><\/a><a class=\"rounded-icon block-share__item block-share__item--twitter js-blockshare-link\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/intent\/tweet?text=Astrologers%20predict%20the%20election%3A%20Trump%20is%20from%20Mars%2C%20Clinton%20is%20from%20Venus&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2016%2Foct%2F12%2Fastrologers-predict-us-election-trump-clinton-zodiac%3FCMP%3Dshare_btn_tw%26page%3Dwith%3Aimg-2%23img-2\" target=\"_blank\" data-link-name=\"social twitter\"><span class=\"u-h\">Twitter<\/span><\/a><a class=\"rounded-icon block-share__item block-share__item--pinterest js-blockshare-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pinterest.com\/pin\/create\/button\/?description=Astrologers%20predict%20the%20election%3A%20Trump%20is%20from%20Mars%2C%20Clinton%20is%20from%20Venus&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2016%2Foct%2F12%2Fastrologers-predict-us-election-trump-clinton-zodiac%3Fpage%3Dwith%3Aimg-2%23img-2&amp;media=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.guim.co.uk%2F8417ee31efdcc282f8a142880bfee80e57bf1f67%2F0_96_640_384%2F640.jpg\" target=\"_blank\" data-link-name=\"social pinterest\"><span class=\"u-h\">Pinterest<\/span><\/a><\/div><figcaption class=\"caption caption--img caption caption--img\">International Society for Astrological Research. Photograph: Rory Carroll for the Guardian<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Instead of Gallup or Ipsos, the astrologers are poring over zodiac charts, which signal, among other things, a \u201cpotentially explosive\u201d October surprise that could shape the result.<\/p>\n<p>Imsiragic and eight colleagues gave some teasers at a press conference about the climax and aftermath of the wildest election campaign in memory. Their advice: buckle up.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe US election occurs when the sun is travelling in the Via Combusta, the fiery way,\u201d said Shelley Ackerman. A period which also includes Halloween and <a class=\"u-underline\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/hillary-clinton\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Hillary Clinton<\/a>\u2019s birthday, she noted. \u201cIt could be something that is unexpected, very powerful and upsetting to a lot of people. That patch of the zodiac is literally when the shit hits the fan.\u201d<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-pullquote element--supporting\">\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"pullquote-paragraph\">That patch of the zodiac is literally when the shit hits the fan<\/p>\n<footer><cite class=\"pullquote-cite\">Shelley Ackerman<\/cite><\/footer>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>For most Americans, if polls are accurate, that would be a good way of describing a Trump victory. So can the Donald, trailing eight points with likely voters in the latest <a class=\"u-underline\" href=\"http:\/\/live.reuters.com\/Event\/Election_2016?utm_source=twitter&amp;utm_medium=Social\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">Reuters-Ipsos poll<\/a>, defy political gravity and win the White House?<\/p>\n<p>His hair, source of so much mockery, actually matches Orion mythology, according to Imsiragic, who said he predicted Trump\u2019s implausible rise in August 2015. \u201cHe\u2019s a giant, even physically, with golden hair.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/twitter.com\/rorycarroll72\/status\/785996969172832256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw<\/p>\n<p>Born on 14 June 1946 in New York, Trump is astrologically from Mars, an aggressive place, and that chimes with the country\u2019s combative mood, said Ray Merriman, president of the International Society for Astrological Research, which is hosting the <a class=\"u-underline\" draggable=\"true\" href=\"http:\/\/www.isarastrology.org\/2016-conference\" data-link-name=\"in body link\">four-day conference<\/a> that starts on Thursday. So, too, is the GOP candidate\u2019s running mate, mild-mannered Mike Pence.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-rich-link element-rich-link--tag element--thumbnail element-rich-link--upgraded\" data-component=\"rich-link-tag\" data-link-name=\"rich-link-tag\">\n<div class=\"rich-link tone-live--item \">\n<div class=\"rich-link__container\">\n<div class=\"rich-link__header\">\n<h1 class=\"rich-link__title\"><a class=\"rich-link__link\"><span class=\"rich-link__kicker\">Live<\/span> Melania Trump to give campaign speech in swing state Pennsylvania \u2013 live<\/a><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-link__standfirst u-cf\">Follow along for the latest updates from the trail, as Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and co engage in a last-minute sprint across battleground states<\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-link__read-more\">\n<div class=\"rich-link__arrow\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-link__read-more-text\">Read more<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p>\u201cIf you look at Pence and Trump, they\u2019re both Geminis, born either side of Mars. So in this election <a class=\"u-underline\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/republicans\" data-link-name=\"auto-linked-tag\" data-component=\"auto-linked-tag\">Republicans<\/a> are from Mars. Make America Great Again \u2013 the motto is Mars.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Clinton and her running mate, Tim Kaine, in contrast, have their suns making a trine \u2013 an angle of 120 degrees. \u201cThe <a class=\"u-underline\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/democrats\" data-link-name=\"auto-linked-tag\" data-component=\"auto-linked-tag\">Democrats<\/a> are from Venus this year. Their slogan, Stronger Together, that\u2019s Venus,\u201d Merriman said.<\/p>\n<p>In Roman mythology Mars and Venus were lovers, but the astrologers were not predicting a rapprochement between Clinton and Trump, a romance so cosmically wrong it could tilt the Earth off its axis.<\/p>\n<p>Trump\u2019s aggressive tack may backfire, said Glenn Perry. \u201cHe\u2019s so over the top, so Martian \u2026 it\u2019s almost as if in the candidacy we\u2019ve overshot the mark. We\u2019ve nominated someone who does embody the mood of the collective, but too much.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If Trump flames out, Clinton can thank her running mate. \u201cThe moon ends up on election day right at Tim Kaine\u2019s sun,\u201d Ackerman said. Pressed, she predicted the Democratic ticket would prevail.<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/twitter.com\/rorycarroll72\/status\/785997780682625024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw<\/p>\n<figure class=\"element element-tweet\" data-canonical-url=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/rorycarroll72\/status\/785997780682625024\"><\/figure>\n<p>The other astrologers played coy, withholding forecasts until the conference, when two panels of American and foreign astrologers will give verdicts.<\/p>\n<p>To astrology skeptics that will be gibberish based on pseudo-science nonsense, as meaningful as goldfish bubbles. Conference exhibitors have names such as Cosmic Intelligence Agency, Planetary Visions, Aura Photo &amp; Coaching, Gaisheda Kheawok &amp; The Whispering Song School.<\/p>\n<p>Astrologers are not psychics, Perry said. \u201cWe can read certain signs but there are always certain levels of ambiguity.\u201d<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-rich-link element--thumbnail element-rich-link--upgraded\" data-component=\"rich-link\" data-link-name=\"rich-link-1 | 1\">\n<div class=\"rich-link tone-feature--item \">\n<div class=\"rich-link__container\">\n<div class=\"rich-link__image-container u-responsive-ratio\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/i.guim.co.uk\/img\/media\/fb8e225ae6b0126b19f18980b6aae6b380787c0f\/0_568_3588_2153\/master\/3588.jpg?w=460&amp;q=55&amp;auto=format&amp;usm=12&amp;fit=max&amp;s=91dbc3b1f22ded827c9bfe44f2865796\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"rich-link__header\">\n<h1 class=\"rich-link__title\"><a class=\"rich-link__link\">Astrologers predict New Hampshire results: whoever wins will be president<\/a><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/aside>\n<p>Gloria Star made one safe prediction. \u201cWhoever wins, no one will be entirely happy with what they get.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If Clinton wins, here is another safe bet: a fresh round of birtherism. She was born on 26 October 1947 in Chicago, but the exact time of her birth is disputed. Some accounts say 8am, others 8pm, or maybe closer to 2am.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIt\u2019s important because the planets shift over the course of a day, and just a few minutes can make a big difference,\u201d Star said.<\/p>\n<p>A sleuthing astrologer rang an Illinois records office and used a Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein-type Watergate code to extract information, Ackerman said. When he punted incorrect times, the source or sources indicated so. \u201cThey were silent at 2.18am, which basically is Virgo rising.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A big deal if correct, apparently. \u201cThe chart of the leader is the chart of the country while they are leading,\u201d Ackerman said.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>An earlier version of this article misspelled the given name of an astrologer. It is Glenn Perry, not Glen.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>___<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/2016\/oct\/12\/astrologers-predict-us-election-trump-clinton-zodiac\">http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/us-news\/2016\/oct\/12\/astrologers-predict-us-election-trump-clinton-zodiac<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Astrologers predict the election: Trump is from Mars, Clinton is from Venus<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-54685","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54685","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=54685"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/54685\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=54685"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=54685"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=54685"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}