{"id":51799,"date":"2016-10-10T18:11:35","date_gmt":"2016-10-10T22:11:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=51799"},"modified":"2016-10-10T18:11:35","modified_gmt":"2016-10-10T22:11:35","slug":"half-a-dozen-news-sites-stop-polling-their-readers-on-who-won-the-presidential-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=51799","title":{"rendered":"Half a Dozen News Sites Stop Polling Their Readers on Who Won the Presidential Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--more--><div id=\"attachment_51800\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/AP_16284063024115-640x480.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-51800\" class=\"size-full wp-image-51800\" src=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/AP_16284063024115-640x480.jpg\" alt=\"Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton walks past Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump during the second presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis, Sunday, Oct. 9, 2016. (AP Photo\/John Locher)\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/AP_16284063024115-640x480.jpg 640w, https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/AP_16284063024115-640x480-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-51800\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton walks past Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump during the second presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis, Sunday, Oct. 9, 2016. (AP Photo\/John Locher)<\/p><\/div><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"by\">by<\/span> EZRA DULIS<br \/>\nBREITBART<\/p>\n<h2>Half a dozen news outlets skipped posting snap polls after the second 2016\u00a0presidential debate on Sunday \u2014 most likely because\u00a0Donald Trump touted his dominance of their polls after the first debate in September.<\/h2>\n<p>The first presidential debate was a tough one for Republican presidential candidate Trump, but he publicly declared victory by citing a slew of unscientific online polls\u00a0where respondents said he beat his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton. <em>The Daily Mail<\/em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-3809204\/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">rounded up the results<\/a> of many of these snap polls, as well, with a headline blaring \u201cTrump won debate by a landslide.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"SandboxRoot env-bp-350\" data-twitter-event-id=\"0\">\n<div id=\"twitter-widget-0\" class=\"EmbeddedTweet EmbeddedTweet--mediaForward media-forward js-clickToOpenTarget js-tweetIdInfo\" lang=\"en\" data-click-to-open-target=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/780796008854876160\" data-iframe-title=\"Twitter Tweet\" data-dt-full=\"%{hours12}:%{minutes} %{amPm} - %{day} %{month} %{year}\" data-dt-months=\"Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sep|Oct|Nov|Dec\" data-dt-am=\"AM\" data-dt-pm=\"PM\" data-dt-now=\"now\" data-dt-s=\"s\" data-dt-m=\"m\" data-dt-h=\"h\" data-dt-second=\"second\" data-dt-seconds=\"seconds\" data-dt-minute=\"minute\" data-dt-minutes=\"minutes\" data-dt-hour=\"hour\" data-dt-hours=\"hours\" data-dt-abbr=\"%{number}%{symbol}\" data-dt-short=\"%{day} %{month}\" data-dt-long=\"%{day} %{month} %{year}\" data-scribe=\"page:tweet\" data-tweet-id=\"780796008854876160\" data-twitter-event-id=\"6\">\n<article class=\"MediaCard MediaCard--mediaForward customisable-border\" dir=\"ltr\" data-scribe=\"component:card\">\n<div class=\"MediaCard-media\">\n<p><a class=\"MediaCard-borderOverlay\" tabindex=\"-1\" title=\"View image on Twitter\" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/780796008854876160\/photo\/1\"><span class=\"u-hiddenVisually\">View image on Twitter<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"MediaCard-widthConstraint js-cspForcedStyle\" data-style=\"max-width: 664px\">\n<div class=\"MediaCard-mediaContainer js-cspForcedStyle\" data-style=\"padding-bottom: 120.4706%\"><a class=\"MediaCard-mediaAsset NaturalImage \" href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/780796008854876160\/photo\/1\" data-scribe=\"element:photo\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"NaturalImage-image\" title=\"View image on Twitter\" src=\"http:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/media\/CtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg:large\" alt=\"View image on Twitter\" width=\"850\" height=\"1024\" data-srcset=\"http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg%3Alarge 850w,http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg 850w,http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg%3Asmall 564w\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/article>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"resize-sensor\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Such a great honor. Final debate polls are in &#8211; and the MOVEMENT wins!<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/AmericaFirst?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#AmericaFirst<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/MAGA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#MAGA<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/ImWithYou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#ImWithYou<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/3KWOl2ibaW\">https:\/\/t.co\/3KWOl2ibaW<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/sfCEE3I5pF\">pic.twitter.com\/sfCEE3I5pF<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/780796008854876160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 27, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Establishment\u00a0pundits reacted to the phenomenon with\u00a0obvious jokes, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.breitbart.com\/big-journalism\/2016\/02\/21\/matt-drudge-taunts-establishment-gop-delegate-count-looks-like-drudge-report-poll-results\/\">as they have for a long time<\/a> \u2014 as though they have some deep insight into the race by understanding that online polls are not scientific.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">CNN Poll: Clinton overwhelmingly wins debate 57 -34. Scientific poll, not fake Trumpian online poll. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/debate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#debate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Michelangelo Signorile (@MSignorile) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/MSignorile\/status\/785324392377151488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 10, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">EVERYBODY THE ONLINE SNAP WHO WON THINGS DON&#39;T COUNT. <br \/>If you don&#39;t care who is in the poll or how many times they vote it&#39;s not a poll.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; David Byler (@databyler) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/databyler\/status\/785309535670038529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 10, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Before clicking to see, I\u2019m setting the over\/under on percent saying Trump won in Drudge\u2019s post-debate poll at 90.0. Make your choice.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Philip Bump (@pbump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/pbump\/status\/785323038090952704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 10, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">I really wanna know what the Drudge poll says before I go too far out on a limb about who won.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/chrislhayes\/status\/785324636129099776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 10, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Everyone knows online polls don\u2019t reflect the electorate. But what they do reflect is the dedication and enthusiasm of a candidates\u2019 online supporters. Both candidates\u2019 fans have access to the same tools to game the polls \u2014 trolls, bots, etc. Pro-Clinton Super PAC Correct the Record has reportedly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/politics\/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">spent seven figures<\/a> on online warfare. Yet Trump fans are still overwhelming the left in this facet of psy-ops, producing screenshot after screenshot of \u201cpolls\u201d showing The Donald ahead.<\/p>\n<p>Clinton backers know logically that this phenomenon does not necessarily affect the offline electorate, yet they still feel the need to debunk the meme \u2014 which wastes their time and energy while making them look bitter and defensive.<\/p>\n<p>It makes sense, then, that most national conservative sites and local news sites did another round of online snap polls, but at least a half dozen\u00a0left-leaning national outlets skipped them after the second debate.<\/p>\n<p><big><big>Time Magazine<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>Last time around, Time\u2019s online snap poll went Trump 58 \u2013 Clinton 42. Instead of a \u201cwho won the debate\u201d poll, the magazine bizarrely asked: <a href=\"http:\/\/time.com\/money\/4524312\/second-presidential-debate-vote-poll\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">\u201cWhich Presidential Candidate is Better for Your Money?\u201d<\/a> The current spread on that poll is Trump 89 \u2013 Clinton 11.<\/p>\n<p><big><big>Slate<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>Last time: Trump 54 \u2013 Clinton 46. This time: Hillary won. She won so much! What does all this winning mean?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/slate-debate.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5231097\" src=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/slate-debate.jpg\" alt=\"slate-debate\" width=\"678\" height=\"677\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><big><big>Fortune<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>Fortune had the slimmest margin of most high-profile online polls after the first debate, Trump 51 \u2013 Clinton 49 after 400,000+ votes. This time around, the site\u2019s editors silently skipped a shot at another 400,000 hits.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/fortune-debate.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5231242\" src=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/fortune-debate.jpg\" alt=\"fortune-debate\" width=\"668\" height=\"550\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><big><big>The Hill<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>Round one: Trump 58 \u2013 Clinton 36 \u2013 Draw 6. Round two: crickets.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/thehill-debate.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5231312\" src=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/thehill-debate.jpg\" alt=\"thehill-debate\" width=\"672\" height=\"761\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><big><big>CBS\u00a0New York<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>Last time around, CBS New York\u2019s online poll went roughly Trump 58 \u2013 Clinton 42 with ~41,000 votes. Surely it is only a coincidence that the site did not conduct an online poll Sunday night.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/cbsny-debate.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5231367\" src=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/cbsny-debate.jpg\" alt=\"cbsny-debate\" width=\"651\" height=\"760\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><big><big>CNBC<\/big><\/big><\/p>\n<p>With half as many votes and the same tight margin as Fortune\u2019s 51-49 split, CNBC must have found the result of their last online poll too demoralizing to risk a repeat.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/cnbc-debate.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5231402\" src=\"http:\/\/media.breitbart.com\/media\/2016\/10\/cnbc-debate.jpg\" alt=\"cnbc-debate\" width=\"667\" height=\"584\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Most establishment news outlets are touting a \u201cscientific\u201d poll by <a href=\"http:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2016\/10\/09\/politics\/clinton-wins-debate-but-trump-exceeds-expectations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">CNN and ORC<\/a> which says that 57 percent of debate watchers declared Clinton the victor on Sunday night. Left out of that top-line figure: 58 percent of their sample \u201csaid they were supporting Clinton<strong>before<\/strong> the debate [emphasis added].\u201d<\/p>\n<p>___<br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.breitbart.com\/big-journalism\/2016\/10\/10\/won-second-presidential-debate-news-sites-stopped-asking\/\">http:\/\/www.breitbart.com\/big-journalism\/2016\/10\/10\/won-second-presidential-debate-news-sites-stopped-asking\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-51799","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51799","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=51799"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/51799\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=51799"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=51799"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=51799"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}