{"id":114952,"date":"2019-01-29T06:35:50","date_gmt":"2019-01-29T10:35:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=114952"},"modified":"2019-01-29T06:40:01","modified_gmt":"2019-01-29T10:40:01","slug":"russiagate-hoax-completely-deconstructed-during-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/?p=114952","title":{"rendered":"Russiagate Hoax Completely Deconstructed During Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1>PressTV: Jim Fetzer v. Carl Unger on Roger Stone and the Russia Hoax<\/h1>\n<p><!--more--><a href=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/Fetzer-vs.-Unger-on-22The-Debate22-featured-image-.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/Fetzer-vs.-Unger-on-22The-Debate22-featured-image-.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"696\" height=\"437\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-114954\" srcset=\"https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/Fetzer-vs.-Unger-on-22The-Debate22-featured-image-.jpg 696w, https:\/\/stateofthenation2012.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/Fetzer-vs.-Unger-on-22The-Debate22-featured-image--300x188.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h2><a href=\"https:\/\/www.presstv.com\/Detail\/2019\/01\/25\/586792\/TRUMPRUSSIA-INVESTIGATION\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">THE DEBATE: Trump-Russia Investigation<\/a><\/h2>\n<p>Bardia Honardar, Show Host<\/p>\n<p><strong>Roger Stone, a longtime Republican strategist and an adviser to Donald Trump, who was arrested Friday on charges related to the Russia collusion probe, is freed on bail. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Roger Stone\u0092s arrest came following an indictment by special counsel Robert Mueller. Stone\u0092s indictment contains seven counts: One count of obstructing an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering. Political Analyst, James Fetzer (MADISON) Author and Journalist, Craig Unger (NEW YORK)<\/p>\n<div>\n<p><iframe src=\"https:\/\/flowplayer.com\/e\/?t=PressTV-Trump-Russia%20Investigation%20&amp;c=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%3D&amp;r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.presstv.com%2FDetail%2F2019%2F01%2F25%2F586792%2FTRUMPRUSSIA-INVESTIGATION\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><strong>Transcribed by Jeannon Kralj<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Hello Everybody.<\/p>\n<p>Roger Stone, a longtime Republican strategist and an advisor to Donald Trump, was arrested Friday in charges related to the Russia collusion probe, is freed on bail.<\/p>\n<p>His arrest came following an indictment by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.\u00a0 Stone\u2019s indictment contained seven counts.\u00a0 One count of obstructing an official proceeding, five counts of false statements and one count of witness tampering.<\/p>\n<p>Mueller is investigating Russia\u2019s possible interference in the 2016 election and Trump \u2013 Moscow collusion.\u00a0With Stone\u2019s indictment, Mueller goes deep inside Trump\u2019s inner circle charging a long-standing friend of Trump and one of the first people who promoted him for the White House.<\/p>\n<p>How important is that indictment and what does it mean for President Trump and the collusion probe? Is Mueller tightening the noose on him?<\/p>\n<p>Those are some of the questions that we will be asking in tonight\u2019s debate, but before that let\u2019s go to Washington, D.C. where press correspondent, Colin Campbell, is standing by to share with us his thoughts on Roger Stone\u2019s arrest. Colin?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Colin Campbell<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes, this was somewhat unexpected on a day like today when Mueller\u2019s investigation doesn\u2019t seem to be winding down even though there have been queries as to when it would wind down since last year.\u00a0 Many people have theorized that it would only be a matter of days or weeks before it would be finally concluded, but it looks like there are still more revelations happening in the investigation of the Trump administration and mainly the president himself, Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<p>Now, of course, Stone has denied all of the allegations against him, saying that there is no collusion, that he really was just \u2026that this might have been something that is more of a misunderstanding than anything.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"BREAKING \ud83d\udd34 Roger Stone URGENT Speech after being Arrested by the FBI and Posting Bail\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/V06TJidZoec?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Of course, the Whitehouse is denying that whatever Stone is being questioned over has to do with implications that are directly connected to the president.\u00a0 They are saying that this is just an individual who may have lied about particulars in the case but nothing that is connected to the president himself.<\/p>\n<p>So we have to wait and see what happens with this investigation.\u00a0 What are the charges that are most likely to apply to Stone?\u00a0 Are these all going to stick or is it just a select few that will actually be substantive enough to actually sentence Stone if that is what is going to happen in the long term?<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile the president is planning for a conference later today.\u00a0 It is unclear if he is going to answer to the allegations that are surrounding Stone.\u00a0 Many people believe that it has to do with the government shutdown that we are experiencing right now and when people are going to get back to work.<\/p>\n<p>But you have to imagine that reporters who are at the White House right now are preparing for a Rose Garden address are going to be asking the president whether or not Stone has been trying to deflect a lot of the allegations against the president as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 All right, thanks a lot Colin.\u00a0 That was Press TV Washington correspondent Colin Campbell.<\/p>\n<p>And joining us on tonight\u2019s debate, we have author and journalist, Mr. Craig Unger joining us from New York.\u00a0 Sir, welcome to the program.<\/p>\n<p>Well, there are a lot of twists and turns in this collusion case.\u00a0 As we know the long-time Trump advisor, Roger Stone, has been charged by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.\u00a0 That indictment included evident purporting that Stone had advance knowledge of Wikileaks\u2019 plan to divulge thousands of hacked Democratic Party emails.\u00a0 Give us your views on this latest development.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9246 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/House-of-Trump-House-of-Putin--203x300.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 203px) 100vw, 203px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/House-of-Trump-House-of-Putin--203x300.jpg 203w, https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/House-of-Trump-House-of-Putin-.jpg 238w\" alt=\"\" width=\"203\" height=\"300\" \/>Craig Unger<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, I think this is extremely important.\u00a0 This has been expected for some time but if you read Mueller\u2019s indictment, the specificity is just amazing because you see him quoting actual emails back and forth in which Roget Stone is communicating, largely indirectly, with a person who is pretty clearly Julian Assange, and he is talking about Organization One, which is Wikileaks and when are they going to release various emails and should they postpone it and how much impact will they have, and if this isn\u2019t collusion I don\u2019t know what is.<\/p>\n<p>It also seems to implicate another individual who is not name but it appears to be Steve Bannon who of course is very, very close to Donald Trump.\u00a0 So, if we want to know if Trump actually had knowledge of this, I think that is going to be a key place to look in the future.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Also joining us for tonight\u2019s panel is political analyst, Mr. James Fetzer, who is with us now from Madison.\u00a0 Sir, welcome to the program.<\/p>\n<p>Well, the indictment suggests Mr. Trump\u2019s campaign knew about the additional stolen emails before they were released and they asked Mr. Stone to find out about them.\u00a0 After that, the Trump campaign sought more of those emails.\u00a0 What does this spell for president Trump at this point?<\/p>\n<p>05:39 a few seconds pause<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Fetzer\u2026?<\/p>\n<p><strong>James Fetzer<\/strong>: (poor quality audio with static and cut-outs only for James Fetzer\u2019s audio, throughout)<\/p>\n<p>Well this whole event is political theater.\u00a0 Robert Mueller has come up dry with regard to the Russia investigation and with good reason.<\/p>\n<p>There are three tells here.\u00a0One is having a raid with armed officers on Roger Stone\u2019s home to apprehend his computers and his records for a nonviolent offense and then releasing him on a two-hundred-and-fifty-thousand-dollar recognizance bond.\u00a0 That\u2019s theatrical.<\/p>\n<p>Second, CNN producers acknowledged he was waiting at Roger Stone\u2019s home an hour before the arrest took place, so he was tipped off because this was a public relations stunt.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Michael Moore - How the Democrats Lost Michigan\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/1T19bPJQh7E?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Third, none of these indictments have anything to do with Russian hacking.\u00a0 In fact, every serious student knows that this was a fabrication, where Robby Mook and John Podesta introduced the Russian hacking meme within 48 hours of Hillary\u2019s concession speech for at least three reasons \u2013 to excuse their incompetent campaign, where even Michael Moore had predicted they would lose because they were neglecting the voters in the Rust Belt states of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin, which proved to be correct; second, because they wanted to divert attention away from the Wikileak emails, which led directly to Pizza Gate where John Podesta himself is \u00a0\u201cPedophile-in-Chief\u201d; and third, to distract from Hillary Clinton\u2019s own entanglements with Russian, where, with the approval of Barack Obama she sold off twenty percent of U.S. uranium reserves to Russia for a 145 million dollar contribution to the Clinton Foundation.\u00a0 If Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were given the electric chair for sharing atomic secrets with the then Soviet Union, what do Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama deserve for selling off twenty percent of U.S. uranium to Russia?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Unger, our guest in Madison just painted quite a convoluted picture.\u00a0 What do you have to say about those comments?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Craig Unger<\/strong>:\u00a0 It is still conspiratorial nonsense.\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t deal with any of the realities of the Mueller indictment.<\/p>\n<p>Look at the specifics.\u00a0He is quoting from emails and text messages and, believe me, Robert Mueller has those authenticated or he wouldn\u2019t put them in the indictment and the court will decide, but I mean you you\u2026if you just read through the indictment, which is out there publicly available, it is very, very compelling.<\/p>\n<p>And what you see is a relationship\u2026 Roger Stone and Trump go way, way back, nearly forty years and it all ties to Russia.\u00a0 If you go back to 1987 when Donald Trump took his first trip to Moscow, he immediately came back and he met with Roger Stone, among other people, and he took out a full-page ad in the New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe under Stone\u2019s tutelage and it put forth \u2014 this was his first run for president in 1988 \u2013 and he put out a full-page ad that essentially put forth a policy that in terms of American interests was absolutely insane.\u00a0 It attacked NATO and the Western alliance mercilessly.\u00a0 This was still during the Cold War and yet you have Donald Trump putting forth a very, very pro-Russian policy under Roger Stone\u2019s tutelage.\u00a0 And it really raises a question of was Trump turned.\u00a0 Was he recruited as an agent back then in the eighties?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Fetzer, our guest in New York says that the tangible realities can\u2019t be ignored.\u00a0If this indictment is valid, it\u2019s definitely passed with details that will make the Trump inner circle sweat, won\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Craig Unger<\/strong>:\u00a0 Oh absolutely.\u00a0 I think this is \u2026<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 No, that was for Professor Fetzer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>James Fetzer<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well the whole thing is contrived and fabricated, involving corrupt members of the FBI, the Department of Justice, Hillary Clinton and the DNC.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-9247 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/Steele-stunning-UK-Judge-1--184x300.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 207px) 100vw, 207px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/Steele-stunning-UK-Judge-1--184x300.jpg 184w, https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/Steele-stunning-UK-Judge-1-.jpg 514w\" alt=\"\" width=\"207\" height=\"338\" \/>Perhaps your guest didn\u2019t get the memo, but Christopher Steele, who was the author of the so-called Russia dossier, about two weeks ago, left the judge astonished in a UK courtroom when under oath he testified that he had written that as an employee of Hillary Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>We know that it was Seth Rich, who was the IT guy for the DNC and a Bernie Sanders\u2019 supporter, disillusioned by the way in which Debbie Wasserman Schultz was sabotaging the campaign of Bernie Sanders, who downloaded the files directly with the assistance of Kim Dotcom, a well-known Internet personality. They were conveyed to Julian Assange by way of Craig Murray, UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, where Julian Assange proceeded to publish them.<\/p>\n<p>We know that this is the case and, indeed, it appears that John Podesta wanted to set an example of someone who was a leaker and was responsible for having Seth Rich shot, where both Julian Assange and Craig Murray had observed repeatedly that they knew the leaker, that he was not Russian and where, after the shooting, Julian Assange offered a twenty thousand reward for assistance in finding out, tracking down, who offed Seth Rich.<\/p>\n<p>I am sorry to say the propaganda campaign has endured for two and a half years now.\u00a0 It has no foundation.\u00a0 The best cyber security experts in the world, including Bill Binney, have confirmed that the downloads of the files took place in the Eastern time zone at a rate far too fast to be Russian hacking.<\/p>\n<p>I have featured Bill Binney on my own radio show where he confirmed it to me directly.\u00a0 This is outrageous.<\/p>\n<p>And if they pour through the emails of Roger Stone, they\u2019ll find hundreds of correspondence between me and Roger because Roger is a friend of mine and, just as Roger will not bear false witness against Donald Trump, I will not bear false witness against Roger Stone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Unger, you were laughing there, do you disagree with Mr. Fetzer?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Craig Unger<\/strong>: To be honest, I can\u2019t figure out what he is trying to say.\u00a0 He is throwing in one irrelevancy after another.\u00a0 The indictment speaks for itself.\u00a0 I mean here you have a sequence of events in which \u2026uh uh\u2026in which the DNC is hacked, their repeated requests from Trump campaign officials \u2018can we get more\u2019, Roger Stone reaches out to Julian Assange, directly and indirectly, and it happens again and again.\u00a0 Those weren\u2019t fabrications.\u00a0 You really believe those were fabricated?\u00a0 Believe me, Robert Mueller isn\u2019t going to court with fabricated email and text.\u00a0 Those exist.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Fetzer, with the US president mired in this debacle of the government shutdown, what else could these allegations amount to?\u00a0 Do you think that the top Democrats will be going all the way and will be aiming for Trump\u2019s resignation or his impeachment?<\/p>\n<p><strong>James Fetzer<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, there\u2019s nothing to the Russia hoax.\u00a0 There\u2019s a brilliant book, which I recommend, unlike Mr. Unger\u2019s nonsense, entitled <em>The Russia Hoax,\u00a0<\/em>where Gregg Jarrett has totally documented the complicity of the elements within the Department of Justice and the FBI who colluded corruptly with Hillary Clinton and the DNC to fabricate this elaborate scam, this scheme about which we\u2019ve heard unrelenting referred to for two and a half years.\u00a0 I am sorry to say that there are individuals who are seeking to benefit financially from all of this political malfeasance, including your other guest.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-9248 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/The-Russia-Hoax--208x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"229\" height=\"330\" \/>Vladimir Putin is an honorable man.\u00a0 There is nothing to the Russian hoax.\u00a0 It has even been claimed that there was a discussion between Manafort and Russians about the polls was misinformation, because he was discussing that with the Ukranians, where he was doing business.<\/p>\n<p>This whole thing is a massive fabrication that undermines the legitimacy of the Clinton Foundation (sic, meant to say, Trump administration), where we have Donna Brazile speaking about \u2018Nancy Pelosi as Speaker today but president tomorrow\u2019 where they seem to have a covert scheme.\u00a0 They take Trump and Pence out of office to get Pelosi into the presidency, where she would then make Hillary Clinton her Vice President and resign.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s all nonsense.\u00a0It\u2019s all fabrication and any serious student who has been following this knows that what you are hearing from Mueller and from Unger is a fabrication that is fake.\u00a0 It\u2019s one of the great frauds on the American people.\u00a0 I would put it right up there with the claim that Lee Oswald was the lone shooter of JFK or that nineteen Islamic terrorists hit the United States.<\/p>\n<p>We know there is a great video about JFK. Lyndon Johnson was deeply complicit with the CIA, Texas oil men, and the Joint Chiefs to take out Jack Kennedy. And we know that 9\/11 was brought to us compliments of the CIA, the neocons, the Department of Defense, and the Mossad to get the United States embroiled in the Middle East and take out the modern Arab states that serve as a counterbalance to Israel\u2019s domination in the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran.<\/p>\n<p>The American people deserve the truth, but the CIA began infiltrating the media in the 1950s in Operation Mockingbird. By 1975, William Colby, then its director, was already testifying to congress that the agency owned everyone of any significance in the media.<\/p>\n<p>That was followed by Carl Bernstein\u2019s article in <em>Rolling Stone<\/em>in 1977, \u201cThe CIA and the Media\u201d, where high officials of the agency were boasting that their greatest successes had been with Time-Life and <em>The New York Times<\/em>and CBS.<\/p>\n<p>Today, the situation is much worse.\u00a0 We\u2019re getting unrelenting reports of fake news 24\/7. The cable\u2019s CNN and MSNBC are by far the worst.\u00a0 A recent study has shown that in fact ninety percent of the reporting about the Trump administration has been negative.\u00a0 Only Fox came out with a reasonable proportion of fifty-two percent negative, forty-eight percent positive, which is much closer to the truth.<\/p>\n<p>If Donald Trump had done no more than expose the fake media and its massive influence upon the American public in the formation of their attitudes, he would be regarded appropriately as a great champion of the public interests of the United States.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Unger, it\u2019s definitely tough to follow all that up.\u00a0 (Laughter) What\u2019s your response to our guest in Madison?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Craig Unger<\/strong>:\u00a0 My response is that essentially your guest has no specific information that refutes any of the allegations in Mueller\u2019s report.\u00a0 He just says they\u2019re fabricated and then spouts ten or fifteen other very weird conspiracies that are uh, you know, he\u2019s just spouting them off the top of his head.<\/p>\n<p>There is\u2026 you know\u2026my book has over a thousand footnotes.\u00a0 You can go to the original sources if you like if you want to check it out, but this is\u2026I believe very strongly we have a Russian asset in the White House.<\/p>\n<p>And it was not merely Russian meddling in the election.\u00a0 This was an attack on American sovereignty that was successful, and it succeed\u2026it was an intelligence operation done by the Russians in collusion \u2026we can now see through these indictments, in the Mueller indictments of Roger Stone, and they went back and forth with Russia saying when Russia had hacked Hillary\u2019s emails and hacked DNC emails and it was \u2018when are you going to release them\u2019 and they did release them. And it did play a role in the election and helped win it for Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Fetzer, Mr. Unger believes that he not only disagrees with you, but he believes that there is as far as the \u201cRussian asset in the White House.\u201d\u00a0 What are your thoughts on that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>James Fetzer<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, completely absurd. For crying out loud.\u00a0 John Bolton and Mike Pompeo are hardly Russian assets. In fact, the Chief Executive of Google has testified to Congress that the total sum Russia spent on the election in its attempt to influence was less than 4,750 dollars.\u00a0 <em>Less than five thousand dollars!<\/em>\u00a0 That\u2019s the amount of money corporate executives spend on an elaborate lunch for their high-ranking officers.\u00a0 This is ridiculous beyond belief.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Google CEO Sunday Pichai: Russia-Linked Accounts Spent $4,700 On Political Ads In 2016; 12-11-2018\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/fELg3ws7aj4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>The Deep State apparatus is very much at work.\u00a0 I am sorry to say that this man Unger is very much a part of it to propagate a false narrative.\u00a0 He knows it\u2019s false.\u00a0 It\u2019s a deliberate effort to subvert the legitimacy of the (man) the American public elected to be president of the United States.<\/p>\n<p>Studies by Boston University and the University of Minnesota reveal that the reason Trump prevailed over Clinton was that voters in rural counties in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin, which had suffered many causalities of the war in the Middle East, judged him, not with <em>certainty,<\/em>but he would be <em>less likely<\/em>than the other candidate to continue those wars.\u00a0 He promised to get us out.\u00a0 Now he is starting to do it.\u00a0 He is pulling us out of Syria.\u00a0 He is reducing our forces in Afghanistan.<\/p>\n<p>The deep state and the military industrial complex is going bananas.\u00a0 The Democratic Party is so tied in to all of this corruption they\u2019re going with it, and many of their propaganda outlets are right there pitching in.\u00a0Sorry to say but the guest you have with me here today is part and parcel of that effort to undermine the democratically-elected President of the United States in order to preserve the interests of the deep state, where he is going about doing his best to \u201cdrain the swamp\u201d on behalf of the American people\u2013and I wish him well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 Mr. Unger, let\u2019s get a little bit of focus on this Mueller report as well and let\u2019s talk about the impact of it.\u00a0 Impeachment, that\u2019s the thing that\u2019s the most dangerous to Donald Trump in the Mueller report that is most deeply damning, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Craig Unger<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, you know, I think the Democrats are somewhat reluctant to go full-steam ahead with impeachment.\u00a0 They may be forced in to it as the revelations come forth.\u00a0 I mean, I think the next step may be, \u2018Will Donald Trump Jr. be indicted?\u2019, \u2018Will Jared Kushner be indicted?\u2019 And if it gets to Donald Trump\u2019s family, I think we\u2019re going to see things ratcheted up enormously as it is here.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m here in New York and LaGuardia airport is at least partially shut down.\u00a0 Incoming flights are not allowed.\u00a0 That is tremendously costly, that the government shutdown that Donald Trump, your other guest\u2019s hero, has instigated and is costing the city hundreds of millions of dollars a day now; and if those costs proliferate, I think you\u2019re going to see things ramp up, and Mitch McConnell is going to be a position where he\u2019s going to either have to cave in and reopen the government, or otherwise Donald Trump is going to seize emergency powers.<\/p>\n<p>So, the entire crisis is going to be ratcheted up a notch at a time and we\u2019ll see how Trump comes forth.\u00a0But I think in the end a lot of Republicans who stood by him forever are going to see that once the economy is affected, the way it already is being affected, and we see it in the Stock Market, that their electoral future will be in doubt and maybe they won\u2019t stand so solidly behind Donald Trump anymore.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Bardia Honardar<\/strong>:\u00a0 That\u2019s all the time we have for tonight.\u00a0 Allow me to thank my guests, James Fetzer, political analyst from Madison and also author and journalist, Craig Unger, for joining us from New York; and a special thanks to our viewers for staying with us tonight.\u00a0 Good night.<\/p>\n<p>___<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/2019\/01\/presstv-jim-fetzer-v-carl-unger-on-roger-stone-and-the-russia-hoax\/\">https:\/\/jamesfetzer.org\/2019\/01\/presstv-jim-fetzer-v-carl-unger-on-roger-stone-and-the-russia-hoax\/<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>PressTV: Jim Fetzer v. 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